Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019 vs. Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019

Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019

Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

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Overview - Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019 vs Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

The Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019 and the Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023 are both enduro motorcycles with similar engine types and front suspension setups. However, there are several key differences between the two models.

In terms of engine specifications, the Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019 has a V2 engine with a bore of 84 mm and a stroke of 77 mm, producing 80 HP of power and 80 Nm of torque. On the other hand, the Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023 has a V2 engine with a larger bore of 105 mm and a shorter stroke of 72 mm, resulting in a higher power output of 151.98 HP and torque of 128 Nm. This gives the Pan America a more sporty and powerful performance compared to the V85 TT.

Both motorcycles have electric starters and transmission systems, but the Moto Guzzi V85 TT uses a prop shaft while the Harley-Davidson Pan America utilizes a chain drive. The V85 TT has a displacement of 853 ccm, while the Pan America has a larger displacement of 1252 ccm, further contributing to its higher performance capabilities.

Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019

Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019

In terms of suspension, both motorcycles feature upside-down telescopic forks at the front and swing arm suspensions with monoshocks at the rear. However, the Pan America has larger diameter front forks (47 mm) compared to the V85 TT (41 mm), resulting in a greater travel distance of 191 mm for the Pan America compared to 170 mm for the V85 TT. Additionally, the Pan America offers more adjustment options for the front suspension, including compression, preload, and rebound.

The chassis of the Moto Guzzi V85 TT is made of steel, while the Harley-Davidson Pan America features an aluminum frame. This difference in materials may contribute to variations in weight and handling characteristics.

Both motorcycles have double disk brakes at the front, branded by Brembo. The Pan America also offers cornering ABS as a standard feature, providing enhanced safety during cornering maneuvers. The Moto Guzzi V85 TT does not have this feature.

Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

In terms of dimensions and weights, both motorcycles have a 19-inch front tire diameter and a 17-inch rear tire diameter. The Pan America has a slightly wider rear tire (170 mm) compared to the V85 TT (150 mm). The seat height of the Pan America is also higher at 850 mm compared to 830 mm for the V85 TT. The Pan America is heavier, with a dry weight of 242 kg and a kerb weight of 258 kg (with ABS), while the V85 TT has a dry weight of 208 kg and a kerb weight of 229 kg (with ABS). Both motorcycles have similar fuel tank capacities, with the Pan America offering a slightly larger capacity of 21.2 liters.

In terms of equipment, both motorcycles feature LED headlights. The Pan America offers additional features such as Bluetooth connectivity, heated grips, cornering lights, LED daytime running lights, a TFT display, and an adjustable windscreen. The V85 TT does not have these features.

In summary, the Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019 is a comfortable and iconic enduro motorcycle with a forgiving V2 engine and easy-care cardan drive. However, it may lack sportiness and performance for some riders and is not suitable for harder off-road tracks. On the other hand, the Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023 offers a sporty power unit, a comfortable seating position, comprehensive electronics, and a distinctive look. It also comes with cornering ABS and TC as standard, but its workmanship and haptics may not be up to par for some riders, and the windshield may be too high for off-road use.

Technical Specifications Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019 compared to Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019
Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

Engine and Drive Train

Engine typeEngine typeVEngine typeV
BoreBore84 mmBore105 mm
StrokeStroke77 mmStroke72 mm
Engine powerEngine power80 HPEngine power151.98 HP
Rpm at Max. PowerRpm at Max. Power7,750 rpmRpm at Max. Power8,750 rpm
TorqueTorque80 NmTorque128 Nm
Rpm at TorqueRpm at Torque5,000 rpmRpm at Torque6,750 rpm
Compression RatioCompression Ratio10.5 Compression Ratio13
Fuel systemFuel systemInjectionFuel systemInjection
StarterStarterElectricStarterElectric
Clutch TypeClutch TypeToughenedClutch TypeMultiplate in oil-bath
IgnitionIgnitionDigitalIgnitionTransistor
TransmissionTransmissionProp shaftTransmissionChain
Transmission TypeTransmission TypeGearshiftTransmission TypeGearshift
Number of gearsNumber of gears6Number of gears6
CylindersCylinders2Cylinders2
StrokesStrokes4-StrokeStrokes4-Stroke
Valves per cylinderValves per cylinder2Valves per cylinder4
ValvesValvesOHVValvesDOHC
CoolingCoolingOil-airCoolingliquid
DisplacementDisplacement853 ccmDisplacement1,252 ccm

Suspension Front

Front suspensionFront suspensionUpside-Down telescopic forkFront suspensionUpside-Down telescopic fork
DiameterDiameter41 mmDiameter47 mm
TravelTravel170 mmTravel191 mm
AdjustmentAdjustmentPreload, ReboundAdjustmentCompression, Preload, Rebound

Suspension Rear

SuspensionSuspensionSwing armSuspensionSwing arm
Shock absorberShock absorberMonoshockShock absorberMonoshock
TravelTravel170 mmTravel191 mm
AdjustmentAdjustmentPreloadAdjustmentCompression, Preload, Rebound
MaterialMaterialSteelMaterialAluminium

Chassis

FrameFrameSteelFrameAluminium

Brakes Front

TypeTypeDouble diskTypeDouble disk
DiameterDiameter320 mmDiameter320 mm
PistonPistonFour pistonsPistonFour pistons
TechnologyTechnologyradialTechnologyradial, Monoblock
BrandBrandBremboBrandBrembo

Brakes Rear

TypeTypeDiscTypeDisc
DiameterDiameter260 mmDiameter280 mm
PistonPistonDouble pistonPistonSingle piston

Assistance Systems

Advanced Rider Assistance SystemsAdvanced Rider Assistance SystemsABS, Riding modes, Ride by Wire, Traction controlAdvanced Rider Assistance SystemsABS, Suspension electronically adjustable, Riding modes, Cornering ABS, Ride by Wire, Cruise control, Traction control

Dimensions and Weights

Front tyre widthFront tyre width110 mmFront tyre width120 mm
Front tyre heightFront tyre height80 %Front tyre height70 %
Front tyre diameterFront tyre diameter19 inchFront tyre diameter19 inch
Rear tyre widthRear tyre width150 mmRear tyre width170 mm
Rear tyre heightRear tyre height70 %Rear tyre height60 %
Rear tyre diameterRear tyre diameter17 inchRear tyre diameter17 inch
Seat HeightSeat Height830 mmSeat Height850 mm
Dry Weight (with ABS)Dry Weight (with ABS)208 kgDry Weight (with ABS)242 kg
Kerb Weight (with ABS)Kerb Weight (with ABS)229 kgKerb Weight (with ABS)258 kg
Fuel Tank CapacityFuel Tank Capacity21 lFuel Tank Capacity21.2 l
License compliancyLicense compliancyALicense compliancyA

Equipment

EquipmentEquipmentLED-HeadlightsEquipmentBluetooth, Connectivity, Heated grips, Cornering lights, LED daytime running lights, LED-Headlights, TFT display, Windscreen adjustable

Pros and Cons in comparison

Pros and Cons in comparison

Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019

Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019

The cruiser among the touring enduros radiates cosiness and sovereignty. Its thundering V2 engine moves well and forgivingly. The chassis and brakes also work well. It is just as ill-suited to extreme off-road situations as it is in the hands of notorious knee-grinders. The Moto Guzzi V 85 TT likes to do its rounds in a refined and comfortable manner, and even for longer tours it offers enough practical comfort with its cardan drive and ergonomics. On top of that, it looks sensational and conveys emotion. The only thing some of our testers would like is a few more horses than its 80 hp.

Cosy, forgiving V2 engine

great sound

good decelerating brakes

very iconic, beautiful exterior

suitable for light off-road terrain

easy-care cardan drive

some of our editors would like to see more sportiness and performance

unsuitable for harder off-road tracks

driving in a standing position difficult for taller pilots

Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023

The Pan America 1250 is Harley-Davidson's first attempt in the large touring enduro segment - and it's a thoroughly successful effort! Apart from a few, actually negligible flaws, the Pan America 1250 Special is an all-round good adventure bike. On paved roads, it shows its thoroughly sporty character and ranks pretty well in the league of the usual suspects in this class. With innovative features like the Adaptive Ride Height System, the Americans could even manage to acquire a larger number of new customers for whom the usual suspects are all too high. Combined with the low seat height, it is attractive for short-legged pilots.

Sporty power unit

comfortable seating position

comprehensive electronics

distinctive look

cornering ABS standard, cornering TC standard

optional seat lowering when stationary

Workmanship and haptics partly below average

Quickshifter at extra cost and not perfect

Windshield too high for off-road use

Price Comparison Avarage Market Price Moto Guzzi V85 TT vs Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special

There are a few key differences between a Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019 and a Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023. In terms of price, the actual average price of a Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023 is about 135% higher. Compared to Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special 2023 there are more Moto Guzzi V85 TT 2019 bikes available on the 1000PS.de Marketplace, specifically 18 compared to 7. It takes less time to sell a Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special with 11 days compared to 87 days for the Moto Guzzi V85 TT. Since model year 2018 1000PS.de editors have written 15 reviews for the Moto Guzzi V85 TT and 18 reviews for the Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special since model year 2021. The first review for the Moto Guzzi V85 TT was published on 27/11/2017 and now has more than 73,200 views. This compares to more than 61,800 views for the first review on Harley-Davidson Pan America 1250 Special published on 22/02/2021.

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